NY Muslim terrorist bombings/Wells Fargo CEO getting grilled

So, NYC got bombed this weekend and I'm surprised nobody has brought it up here. Then, the CEO from Wells Fargo gets grilled in Congress today and also nobody brings that up either.

Feel free to discuss here.

 

Regarding the NYC attack: just very glad that the dude largely failed in his execution of this attack. As for WFC, actions like theirs is why mainstream America hates banks & bankers. The idea that firing a bunch of grunts is indicative of them being proactive regarding their fraudulent practices is laughable at best and infuriating at worst.

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The west is at war with radical islam.

Stumpf should have been better prepared.

Elizabeth Warren is a fuckstick. Boom roasted!

"Some things are believed because they are demonstrably true. But many other things are believed simply because they have been asserted repeatedly—and repetition has been accepted as a substitute for evidence." - Thomas Sowell
 

Chelsea is a nice neighborhood. Made some friends there a while back and haven't spoke to any of them in a while. Although a lot of its residents have the ability to move around a lot and freely and might not have been there during this terrorist incident, I still feel empathetic of it being a scary time for the ones that were there. The only thing you can really do is what one family was reported to have done: comfort each other and stay in doors in a safe place.

This really puts pressure on the De Blasios and Obamas because they're very liberal views. Anytime there's a gun incident, this camp wants to solve the problem by introducing a war on our 2nd amendment. But, the war against terror is softly being approached. I'm not sure how Americans will keep accepting this sort of lack in control with the current philosophy.

 

thanks for calling out the idiotic false equivalency of wanting more stringent gun laws with fighting terrorism. Barack Obama has implemented a drone program that borders on war crimes and sent soldiers into a sovereign nation to kill Osama but don't let that disrupt the narrative force-fed to you by the right wing that he is somehow "weak" on terrorism.

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Give a terrorist a knife and a home-made bomb in a mall or a crowded city -> 0 deaths ( 4 if you include Boston).

Give a terrorist a gun near a nightclub, a christmas party, or a church -> 72 deaths

It's weird, right?

 

Lmao I could give you kids crushed grapes, water and vodka and tell you it's wine because you fuckers so rarely think for yourselves. That comment has nothing to do with whether guns are good or bad, safe or unsafe. It's merely to draw attention to the policy stance democrats are forced to make since their beholden to the whims of their constituents.

 
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Elizabeth Warren is speaking at my alma mater soon. I'm very tempted to get in on the Q&A session and ask her opinion on the upcoming 2010 Congressional races since she is still stuck in 2009 with her rhetoric and information.

"That was basically college for me, just ya know, fuckin' tourin' with Widespread Panic over the USA."
 

@virginia tech 4e

If you had the tiniest knowledge of Islam you would know that taking someone’s life is the greatest sin in our Religion, and those who commit it are granted hell.

I would look really stupid if after the bombing of hospitals in Afghanistan, killing innocent people in Syria, destroying nations like Iraq, Vietnam… I start calling it “Christians being Christians”. We also never think of these acts as representative of Americans.

It is essential that you understand those who conduct these terrorist attacks have nothing to do with Muslims. Their acts are despised by the Muslim community and unacceptable under any circumstances.

 

Why is the CEO being grilled by congress? I mean I get why for the optics, but they should be grilling the woman who headed up the group who received a 100 million + in compensation when she left soon after the story broke.

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At a minimum there should be a joint hearing and federal regulators need to explain how and why they didn't catch this.

How can people like Warren bitch about banks being to big to fail when they have had every opportunity to catch this through numerous audits and stress tests but still missed it?

Imagine what a genius she would have looked like if it could be shown in 2009 or 2010.

(earliest suspected years of fraud according to the Senate Banking Committee)

It is almost as if attacking the group head does not fit the narrative Warren is pushing. An election is around the corner, voters are at unease, and her timing is too convenient.

 

In all this vitriol and demonizing of roughly 1.6 billion people let's not forget this reality: other Muslims are the biggest victims of radical Islamic terrorism. Also, let's acknowledge that much of the terrorist populous are impoverished desperate individuals with no hope, they turn to terrorist organizations because they offer a scape goat, the west's capitalistic imperialism. Obviously, these are not justifications for these acts, but we need to view every situation with nuance, it is easy to subscribe to sweeping generalizations. Case in point, yes there are Muslims committing violent acts in Russia, but much of that is due to the Chechens wanting to be independent of Russia because they feel they have a unique identity, of which Islam is a part of, they are closer to the IRA (still responsible for, by far, the most terrorist bombings in Europe) than ISIS. The Islamic world is going through it's dark ages and we can only hope for moderation. Look at Nigeria, yes there are awful acts committed by Boko Haram but, in the country with the largest Christian minority in the world, most Christians don't feel threatened by Islam, we have a Muslim president. Even in Nigeria, the north (the Muslim area) is by far poorer than the rest of the country. In both Iran & Turkey, the young people are fighting for moderation within the government and in society (so yea, there is plenty of dissent in Turkey when it comes to Erdogan despite VTech's assertion) and Iran elected a moderate president. Additionally, I see no purpose in wanting one of our nation's leaders to publicly demonize the religion, even if you believe it's inherently evil, it literally serves no strategic purpose. It alienates governments that we need help from if we are to truly combat ISIS and other groups, we cannot (will not) commit enough troops for long enough in the region to stabilize areas like Syria, we need help from the likes Iran and Turkey, calling their religion evil works against that. Alienating Muslims both abroad and at home only serves the goals of terrorists, making it easier to push the narrative that the greedy & Godless Americans/Europeans hate Muslims and want to see their religion, and those that follow it, die.

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Listen to yourself! Excuses. You have an excuse or justification in every case for Islamic extremism. And to say that "Iran elected a moderate" pretty much says all that needs to be said about you. That "moderate" calls for the extermination of Israel and the United States.

For whatever reason, leftists like yourself identify with these totalitarians--Muslims. For reasons that I can't fully understand, the left identifies with people who hate gays, women, and Jews.

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there is simply no excuse for targeting innocent people. I have a problem with the sexism and homophobia of the religion, but let's not behave as if Christianity has embraced women/ gays... why can't a woman be a priest in the catholic church? Those problems have to be worked out within the religion. As for Iran, it is progress and that "moderate" is appealing to his idiotic masses. Most young people in Iran are rdy for a true democracy but this stuff takes time. You chase to the left vs right conclusion but it's immaterial in my opinion. I believe in humanity and refuse to label 1.6 billion people as "savage" or inherently evil. In reality, the world is far more complicated than that. Also, you didn't address the reality that demonizing them simply makes our job (defeating these terrorists) harder so I fully understand why the POTUS will never do it.

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My view is that Islam is used as a bellicose excuse to power hungry and economically starved gangsters. Not that Muslims should not hold each other accountable, but it's because these are bad actors that the Muslim community should do more. I also believe that America has an important role and that the Muslim community should welcome foreign support and security.

People forget that conquering was the only way to achieve economic growth just 150 years ago. The most progress towards democratic systems and diplomatic relations occurred in the US, which isn't even part of the old world. Yes, Muslims are taught to plunder neighboring people, but so too were Christians. From a high level view, the growth in Christianity coincided with the West's spread and economic growth around the globe. I do believe the terrorist Muslim is a gangster hinged on his deficiencies more than a practicing religious type, with an optimistic view. Muslim people live in countries that are much poorer with not as much advancement in modern democratic practices, such as in the US. When 18th century America was formed, it was premised on the idea that the old world would be extinguished, and that a new world order would be established. Unfortunately, it also wanted to be shielded from the old world, as well as it generally is from a geographic standpoint. We don't typically have murderous Muslims here and this seems to be more existing in Europe, because it lacks the geographic advantages of the US. The point I am bringing out is that, historically, Muslims aren't doing anything different than what they would've done, or what any other country or nation would've done in the past. ISIL has gained resources and built a home for itself through conquering and plundering in Syria and Iraq. The Muslim people are looking to grow just as much they wanted to before.

The U.S. has a role to play but is bailing on it because of popular opinion. During the post-Bush years, people around the world hated America and its government. Now, they all praise and appreciate President Obama given the job he's done of holding off involvement in the Muslim world. But that world needs us and so too does the rest of the world. It's a safety concern. They should be left free to kill each other if that's what it takes to organize and create their world. China is a good example of how a country, given the opportunity, can generate its resources to gain its position, then join the world by increasing its democratic politics over time. China is inherently communist because it believes that it has to control its world in order to implement its growth strategy. It has worked from the 90s up until now, with rapid growth. As that growth begins to slow, it is beginning to adopt more and more democratic policies, starting with joining the WTO in 2001. It has began liberalizing its currency and opening up its markets. The world is much safer with a China that was able to achieve a low-resistant growth strategy, despite some of the ills associated with it, especially after the fact as it starts to become more democratic. Muslim people exist around the world in Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe, and East Asia, making them much more fragmented, thus more dangerous in looking to find a solution to their growth problem. This is why they have become so much more dangerous and why that danger is exposed to the world. Media plays a role in the frightening presence of Islamic extremism, but President Obama does too.

In 2008, "Change" was the motto of President Obama's presidential campaign. No change has been bigger than how Obama has interacted with the global world and the American citizen. In fact, in 2009 he won the Nobel Peace Prize for this very reason. He knows how to play everything coolly, including using all of his resources to try and accomplish some of his largest goals. In 2009, Obama announced withdrawal of all troops from Iraq overtime. But the fragmented nature and growth hungry standpoint of Muslims means that the region where they are found to be the most threatening requires a lot of security. Dedicating his presidency to changing the way the US interacts with the world, he knew the way to achieving his goals was to be hands off in the Muslim community, on the surface. Most of the world praised Obama for his approach to changing America's involvement, but it did not stop the necessity of America's total contribution to the Muslim world. This involved continuing many of the Bush administration Middle Eastern policies including expanding sanctions on Iran and surveillance and training programs involved in trying to secure Iraq after the Iraqi Invasion. Security is important because, as the number of troops and programs began to fall, a vacuum ensued and ISIL was allowed to form. The formation of this terrorist organization led to an eruption of Islamic extreme ideology throughout its fragmented communities and it has gotten out of hand. President Obama understands that his estimation of how to control this chaos was wrong, so he's been ramping up fighting against them since 2014, and this has led to paring the terrorists back.

Unfortunately, we are stuck in this environment where chaos has already began. The heart of ISIL itself would require increased and sustained security efforts that we just were unprepared to handle. Around the world, it's tough to decrease ISIL's influence, but for obvious reasons, that would begin with securing the places where the organization operates. America's involvement looks to be invasive on the surface, but it's good especially to the extent that it contains the chaos. The lack in geographic barriers permits the insurgents to cause chaos in neighboring states, which is detrimental to the region, and instigative to the world. Its strong resource presence makes it even harder to ignore because by allowing insurgents to exist causes disruptions to global economics and world markets. Muslim Extremists know all of this, which incites them to more violence because it would help their cause to gain the news coverage. The use of surveillance technology, special forces, and airstrikes is a good way to fight the terrorist regime, albeit very slow, but has allowed some leaks to outside of the direct regime. With the efforts of the US, we can establish security for the rest of the world, while also bringing Muslim Extremists to their knees, the Muslim community out of their ancient thinking, and strengthen the ability for the community to kill each other in order to sort out their problems with organization.

 

Your first paragraph is re-hashing the myth of the economically disadvantaged Muslim terrorist. This is a complete and utter myth. Terrorist after terrorist is found to be at least middle class and often living decent lives in the wealthy west. Saudi Arabia is one of the foremost financial sponsors of terrorism. Terrorism isn't about poverty--it's about a political/religious ideology as wicked and totalitarian as Stalin's communism.

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/n-y-bombing-suspects-father-accused-him-of-…

Just read this WSJ article on the bombing which sheds some light on how scary our PC culture is these days. Take a look at this sentence:

"Beyond the notebook, investigators were trying to piece together other aspects of Mr. Rahami’s background and possible motivation."

The son's father hands his terrorist son to the FBI, the FBI deems his safe, and now post-bombing they're still trying to determine "possible motivation."

 

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