The Whole Lyrics to HEY YA! =)
One! Two! Three! Go!
My baby don't mess around
Because she loves me so
And this I know fa sho (Uh!)
But does she really wanna
But can't stand to see me walk out the do'
Don't try to fight the feeling
'Cause the thought alone
Is killing me right now (Uh!)
Thank God for Mom and Dad
For sticking two together
'Cause we don't know how
Hey Ya.. Hey Ya (6x)
You think you've got it
Oh, you think you've got it
But got it just don't get it
Til theres's nothing at all (Ah!)
We get together
Oh, we get together
But separate's always better
When there's feelings involved (Oh!)
If what they say is "nothing is forever,"
Then what makes (4x)
Then what makes (What makes? What makes?)
Love the exception?
So why oh, why oh
Why oh(3x)
Are we so in denial
When we know we're not happy here?
Ya'll don't want to hear me
You just want to dance
Hey Ya.. Hey Ya (6x)
Oh oh! (2x)
Don't want to meet your daddy (Oh oh!)
Just want you in my Caddy (Oh oh! Oh oh!)
Don't want to meet your momma (Oh oh!)
Just want to make you come-a (Oh oh!)
I'm (Oh oh!) (2x)
I'm just being honest (Oh oh!)
I'm just being honest
Hey! Alright now!
Alright now, brothers! (Yeah!)
Now what's cooler than being cool? (Ice cold!)
I can't hear ya!
I say what's, what's cooler than being cool? (Ice cold!)
Alright! (15x)
Okay now, ladies! (Yeah!)
Now we gon' break this thing down in just a few seconds
Now don't have me break this thing down for nothin!
Now I wanna see ya'll on ya'll baddest behavior!
Lend me some sugar!
I am your neighbor!
Ah! Here we go! Uh!
Shake it, sh-shake it (Oh oh!)
Shake it, sh-shake it (2x)
Shake it, shake it
Sh-shake it (Oh oh!)
Shake it like a polaroid picture
Shake it, sh-shake it (Hey ya!)
Shake it, sh-shake it
Shake it, shake it
Shake it, sh-shake it (Shake it sugar!)
Shake it like a polaroid picture
Shake it, sh-shake it (3x)
Shake it, shake it
Sh-shake it
Shake it like a polaroid picture
Shake it, sh-shake it (2x)
Shake it, shake it
Shake it, sh-shake it
Shake it like a polaroid picture
Now all Beyoncés and Lucy Lius
And baby dolls, get on the floor
(Get on the floor)
You know what to do
You know what to do
You know what to do!
Hey Ya.. Hey Ya (6x)
Hey Ya.. Hey Ya....
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Your English is great.
While the interviewee certainly could have said "please do not keep", I do not see anything wrong with his/her response. The interviewing process is a two-way street, so while you were interviewing candidates, they were interviewing you too. Perhaps this candidate would not have accepted your offer for a variety of reasons, thereby making you keeping his/her resume pointless.
Just my two cents.
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I think there is (or there should be) a privacy policy, and if the candidate request to dismiss his resume, I guess the company is obliged to do so. (not sure on this in Brazil)
The guy was not impolite, he did not curse nor used a non professional language, harsh, but not unprofessional. I don't really really see your point, and what was the amusement you felt while laughing at somebody that maybe was putting all his anxiety and stress on your interview process. I believe in karma you know, everything comes back at a point.
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Gotcha! I thought you sent it out, since you were in charge of the thread. Anyway my grandad always used to say :'don't do anything you wouldn't like to be done to you'.
I am not sure why people are giving you monkey shit...
In my opinion, this kid was ruder than he should have been. A "thanks for the opportunity" or even a no reply would have sufficed. I don't think he should have necessarily deserved his response being sent all around Brazil...but hey, too late now.
No worries, man. Everyone can have an opinion. But thanks for the support mate! =)
I agree with the OP. This kid was trying to be a total dick. No doubt about it to me.
Meh, whatever. Did the kid handle it well? No. Was it that big of a deal? I don't think so. I would probably laugh at it and show it to a colleague or two and ridicule him internally, but that would be the extent of it.
To be so thin skinned and more importantly, vindictive, as to circulate the kids CV to other industry professionals in an effort to step on someone's head (and years of dedication and hard work) over a terse email makes me think he may have been better off not having had to work for those individuals in the first place. That being said the hierarchical structure of business culture in South America is quite different from the US.
different culture, but man that's pretty harsh... i can understand him not wanting his resume on file, the line about about his disinterest was unnecessary, but the response from the company and this circling around seem way more unprofessional than the response from the candidate
would seniors at a firm in the US, Canada or UK ever respond like this?
This is an absurdly arrogant response by the bank. They told the candidate that they didn't want him, and he said please don't consider me in the future. Not something I'd do, but it's not really unprofessional either. Huge overreaction by the employer here to try to screw his future opportunities.
I think a large part of this may be cultural differences. Impoliteness is taken differently in other cultures, and the applicant should know how to navigate that.
No, fuck that. I've worked in the US, Europe, Middle East, East Asia and South America...this is completely unacceptable anywhere. The kid wasn't that out of line...he didn't respond well, but the reaction was way, way over the top. This would never happen in a legit market, and small timers who think they have big dicks tried to ruin a kid unnecessarily. I am offended by this, and whoever posted this should give up the bank's name to shame them...this is not how it works.
That is quite the overreaction on your (your colleagues) part.
Based on your company's unprofessional and childish overreaction I'd say the kid is right to not be interested in your bank.
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+1 SB
lol dunking on isaiah thomas is like dunking on a middle school kid
I always thought the "we'll keep your resume on file" was more of a polite throwaway courtesy. If you didn't get hired now, it's not like they'll hire you a a first year next year, which is why a "thank you for the opportunity" or no response would have been fine.
The real lesson here is that to be very careful with email responses as they can be interpreted many different ways. The rejected candidate may have been earnest and wanted to let the company know not to waste their time in the future as he was going to take another opportunity / had changed his mind / whatever, or the rejected candidate may have meant it sarcastically / bitterly, which is how it was interpreted.
You need to find a new boss. He seems too vindictive. But you have to be careful about how you make your escape or the same thing may happen to you.
I suggest you fake your own death and move to another city.
The bank's response was far more unprofessional than the kid's...not even close
This thread should be retitled "MD's psycho answer to rejection"
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So a kid who has devoted 6+ hours, case studies/tests, and multiple onsite interviews for a position (an internship, not even an experienced hire) he had a
Fortunately there's not really that much damage this particular MD can do. And if this happened in the US, he'd do a whole lot more damage to himself than to the candidate.
I'm filing this under "Biggest thread backfire since that NJ 'bank' selling internships". OP meant to deter behavior like the applicant's but instead outed his MD as petty and insecure. Not a black mark on OP, just a thread backfire. :-)
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I am Latin American. Pretty much both from a social, economic, and cultural (this applies to finance culture as well) we are 20-30 years behind America. A couple first hand examples.
1) Latin American countries, although aware that racism is bad, have "better" things to worry about like corruption, demining the rainforests of Colombia, drug trafficking etc. They'll get to the equality that the Black Lives Matter movement is doing now, but it will take some time.
2) I was talking to a LatAm group's female MD in NYC, she had all the pedigree necessary. I asked her why she didn't go on the business trip to Mexico that one of the VP's and MD's went to and her response was "Latin America is still very sexist, so its best if I stay back in New York and conduct business with our PE and LP clients in the US, while our male colleagues go out to latin america and win the business from the other men down there.
If the scenario that the OP gave happened in the good ole days of finance in the 80's would it be such a crazy thing to hear about???
Latin America like other emerging economies is still catching up guys. Granted some people are just ass holes, but the guy's reaction was probably a mix of culture and him being a dick.
you can't just hit forward button in the 80s... the kid would probably had a a tough talking to by some senior MD for being a smart ass and then offered an internship for having balls but trying to ruin someone's career over that response is not unexpected in certain parts of the world but it doesn't make it right.
if a simple response sets off this kind of response, can you imagine what these people are willing to do if they were in actual position of power? just because something "is" doesn't make it right.
Wow what a bunch of stuck up assholes at your shop. Can't imagine anyone who gets this cares, unless all brazilians are a holes. Don't see a single thing wrong with his response.
Is this one the firm in question? SRB Investment Bank: http://www.srbbancodenegocios.com.br Some 2009 youngling sweatshop.....hmmm
I will agree with the majority of the responses here. Your firm overreacted to the applicant's request. You took it way out of hand and screwed someone over because of it.
He simply requested not to be included for future consideration.
Gotta hand it to you, the kid dodged a bullet.
Honestly, I am surprised nobody here has seen a defamation case against a firm.
I'm interested which bank is this. The candidate's response is mildly bitter at worst. The response from the bank reeks insecurity, unethical behavior and pettiness beyond belief. To go out of your way to intentionally harm somebody's chances at other places for nothing? Disgraceful. Only saving grace for the candidate is that the MD probably has fuck all credibility on the street, so hopefully this fiasco doesn't affect the guy's / girl's chances at other places. What a bunch of idiots this place is - OP start planning your exit, not the kind of place / people you want to associate yourself with.
SRB Bank, check above. It's written in the original email image.
I am Brazilian, although I have never worked in financial services in the country and I have been in Europe for many years by now. The impression that I have from the IBD/M&A/PE industry in Brazil is that it is extremely elitist, arrogant and…small. It has its good points, but it is mostly bad. That being said, this guy's answer was completely stupid, and I hope he gets it and gets it hard. If there is one thing that anyone should understand about Brazilians is that they get offended by anything and are constantly looking for reasons to get offended and start an argument. It surprises me that, as a Brazilian himself, this guy didn't think of this and thought this would be some smart move to make. Clearly it was not, and now here we are. And last OP, your English is great, there is absolutely no reason for you to apologize, ever.
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Regardless of the culture clash, we all need to remember we were looking to secure a job in this industry at one time. We all have run into shady business practices by no name boutiques at one point of time in our careers. While this boutique may be legit or not is irrelevant, I don't think it’s fair to ruin a kid’s life or career for such a small thing as a 1 second email.
Nobody who is a VP/MD has gotten there without committing his mistakes. I think it’s totally unethical and immoral on the firm’s part to ruin a kid’s career for something so trivial as to blacklist him not only from the firm but the whole Finance profession in Brazil regardless of the culture clash OP mentioned. Given the finance culture currently prevalent in Brazil, I wouldn't want to work in this profession in Brazil.
Most employers in Finance have become very arrogant due to a large demand for Finance jobs but very little supply. Above is just another example of this phenomenon. As people/employers we all need to remember we were once in the same spot too and that life is long and not ending up in a certain career/profession doesn't mean its the end of the world for us. Also, karma is always a bitch and you never know where the kid may end up going or what he may end up doing in the future.
I'm sorry, but OP if you think its right to blacklist a kid just because he simply says "I don't want to be in your waiting list remove me, I want to move on for more opportunities" after he grinded hours of studying and working hard just to put his name out there like lebron mentioned just to end up being denied. I just hope when you're looking for exit opportunities you'll be denied or blacklisted from every single one i'm sorry but not sorry.
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Sorry I meant the MD.
maybe I'm on an island, I would've just deleted the email. two wrongs don't make a right, the job selection process isn't fair, and you have no upside by sending an email like that, so why do it? what's the kid hoping to accomplish? even if he's not interested in the company, don't respond! the likelihood of them ever reaching out to you is slim to none anyway. what this tells me is the kid is a sore loser, and shouldn't have reacted that way.
however, the MD is a fucking baby. maybe I would've said something to a friend at the gym like "can you believe this response I got from a candidate?!" but that would've been it. there's no reason to go out of your way to shame a kid for making a dumb mistake (which yes, it was very dumb). the only time I can think of forwarding around someone's email is if someone is being fraudulent, hilarious, or mentions a connection to someone I know. otherwise, move on. I probably wouldn't be interested in that bank either, if their deal flow is so weak the MD has time to go on a personal crusade against a college kid, probably not the best resume builder anyway.
You're not on an island...it's the OP defending his MD's and Brazil vs the entire board
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Your MD's are cranky old saggy dicks
Could OP post the original message in Portuguese? Maybe his wording made it worse, I don't know. Still, like I said previously, the guy should have remained quiet, there is absolutely nothing he could gain by doing that in any way.
I took a printscreen but the link broke, I put the text in the original message
Haha I see it very differently now. I don't know, maybe there aren't the right words to translate that to English properly, but the guy answered very aggressively (who does this guy thinks he is to say "Nao precisa" straight away like that?). I now understand 100% why the MDs got mad. I would.
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It doesn't surprise me at all. In my Latin American country the elites and aristocratic families are so arrogant and elitist.
One thing people on here have to understand is that in LatAm the estate tax doesn't really exist and neither do capital gains taxes really. This has caused such a fucked up disproportionate share of the wealth and power. If you read on M&I or on here, a lot of M&A activity in LatAm has to deal with family owned businesses. Basically if you think a rich kid from Greenwich can't fail in life even if he tried to, it's 10x worse in Latin America. The best schools are the private schools but the most competitive ones to get into are the lower cost public universities. This has essentially created a system where families basically buy and guarantee their child's success in they future. Upward economic mobility in a lot of Latin America countries is rare and difficult and the American Dream doesn't really exist... Yet. Didn't Lloyd Blankfein come from a blue collar family from Brooklyn? That doesn't happen in LatAm. Basically because of this, you often have unqualified people in positions of power that aren't necessarily naturally talented or intellectual but we're just born into the wrong family. In an American M&A deal you may have a CEO that went to HBS and earned his way to the top and it's very smart and knows what's up. When you present your valuations to him and express causes for concern, he understands and thinks about the topic at hand methodically.
During LatAm M&A transactions, often times the woman bankers are left out of the room, the tall white skinned Latin Americans meet the CEO and the clients, etc. My LatAm M&A banker was telling me a story about how he had some fucking CEO Latin America loser that basically took over the family company and cussed at him after the group told him the valuation of his family's business. When they talked about areas of concerns that investors would potentially bring up, the CEO personally felt offended by the remarks. It's a very different culture, and a lot of these wire families think they're God's gift to the Earth.
As an American middle class Latino, I wanted to, but found it difficult to befriend the international Latinos that came to my college. There was a clear difference between the Latinos raised in the US that qualified for financial aid, and the South American Latin American kids who's parents sent a wire transfer to pay the tuition in full.
As I said before, is the MD's behavior that far off, had it happened in New York in the 80's? Probably not, even though I know that's not an excuse.
Think about if Harvard or Wharton had an acceptance rate of 40-45% and Suny Buffalo had an acceptance rate of 8-10%. That is often how it is in Latin America, where pretty much any smart or somewhat qualified/competent kid gets into the Harvard of their country because their family can pay tuition, whereas its bloodbath among the general public to get into the State school. I have a cousin who didnt start his accounting college education until he was 28 because it was so hard to get into and could only afford the public unis. Took him 8 years to graduate because a lot of semesters the accounting classes would fill up so he could only take 2. Then when he graduated at 35-36, he was discrimintated against the younger looking 23 year old grads.
Wow, sounds like an old-school European caste system. I think we often take our freedom and culture for granted in the United States.
Not just arrogant, but your MD is thin skinned as fuck and I feel sorry you work in such an environment.
That's pretty funny OP.
I work in M&A at a big 4 in Brazil and unfortunately I don't think the language connotations translates to English.
In Portuguese the candidate is basically saying, "yeah don't keep my CV, I'm really above your firm anyways."
It's like when you hit on a girl and she turns you down and you say to yourself "yeah whatever, I wasn't even interested", except the candidate didn't keep it to himself.
Great advice anyways OP, funny stuff lol
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Crybaby.
Hey OP - you're a loser. From an analyst firsthand, people like you are what make this industry borderline intolerable to work in . In case you weren't aware, there are other things in life besides finance, (though probably not in your case) and you do not have to measure your self worth (however little it may be) by degrading aspiring young professionals. Hope you took a special pleasure in ruining this kid's finance career prospects. DIAF.
Best,
iggs99988
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Whether or not you were the one who disseminated his completely unprovocative response is immaterial. That you took time out of your day to share this story as a cautionary tale on a finance forum, when the "perpetrator" did in fact do nothing wrong, betrays your smugness, an attitude and complete lack of self-awareness that is pretty prevalent in banking. Hope you can reflect.
Thanks,
iggs99988
Triggered.
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OP - stop talking. You might hurt yourself if someone figures out who you are etc.. Just like the kid who replied, he had nothing to win by doing this and hurt his chances at a job in banking (I highly doubt that, but whatevs...)
OP is a fucking pussy, just like his pussy Brazilian MDs. No wonder their chicks come North to get laid. If you were a man, OP, I dare you to revert back to the original email content.
So I looked up OP's bank. He works in a 10 man shop called SRB Banco. Very good chance his name's Igor.
I want this bank's profile thrown all the shit and hatred in this world for ruining a kid's career. Granted kid was arrogant, but what makes this bank any different?
My thoughts on this thread:
Guys like OP's MDs are the ones who make us financiers (sexy name for bankers) look arrogant, hoity-toity and 'evil'. Guys like OP are the reasons why Investment Banking Analysts have a poor reputation.
That did escalate pretty quickly. I think, the moral of the story is, use words of one syllable or less in emails, because intent can definitely be lost on text.
What happened here?
Right? Apparently I missed out on the best email roast since '08...
So disappointed, looks like one of the best backfires I've seen so far
Some Brazilian guy answered in a impolite way that he didn't care about having his CV in OP's bank database and that he was no longer interested in the company after receiving a standard rejection mail. OP said the MDs got mad and were planning to dedicate (a few minutes of) their lives to destroy this kid's (upcoming) career and the topic content was to discuss if they were right to do so. Despite minor disagreements, consensus was they were overreacting. The private investigators here then found out entire OP's life and suggested him to just let (the kid) go.
Lol that's hilarious. I saw the original but didn't think much of it.
Gotta be careful with that shit man
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